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How would you alter your PTV margins for a lung SBRT target adjacent to the rib?

What margin would you use? Does this differ based on free-breathing vs. motion-management techniques like abdominal compression?
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Radiation Oncology · Cleveland Clinic
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Overall, while I generally do not alter my margins substantially for an SBRT target adjacent to the rib, there are some circumstances in which I might make small/subtle changes. My driving thought process is that (in particular for stage I NSCLC) tumor control remains the most important factor, as c...

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Radiation Oncology · Yale School of Medicine
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I agree with these previous answers. I have additionally applied these principles in treating many of these patients in 3 rather than 5 fractions, ensuring that they receive at least 45 Gy (BED10 of 112.5) to a larger PTV with my standard margins (5mm radial and 7mm sup-inf) without any cropping, wh...

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Radiation Oncology · Beaumont Health System
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I generally agree with Dr. @Dr. First Last, however, since the early days of SBRT, I have shaved the PTV out of the posterior chest wall. Remember that the PTV accounts for setup uncertainty (the IGTV from 4DCT accounts for motion). The setup uncertainty posteriorly, after a CBCT, is minimal. This m...

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Radiation Oncology · UCLA | VA Greater Los Angeles Healthcare System
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Recall that rib fractures and chest wall pain are temporary, while lung cancer recurrences are permanent. For this reason, the PTV shouldn't ever be reduced. Next, when pushing too hard on CW constraints, the intermediate dose ends up back in the lung which also leads to a permanent event: fibrosis....

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Radiation Oncology · The Ohio State University - James Cancer Hospital and Solove Research Institute
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As a non-thoracic radiation oncologist, I greatly appreciate the wisdom and experience represented above, and would just offer one theoretical consideration in addition. In a pure sense, as others have stated, a PTV represents setup uncertainty and therefore, should not be modified from an isotropic...

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Radiation Oncology · Vanderbilt-Ingram Cancer Center
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Retrospective data suggests that truncation of the PTV at the chest wall interface can be done with minimal CW toxicity, without affecting LC (3-year LC of 92%): Keane et al., PMID 33239160.

While I personally would not be enthusiastic to apply 0mm margin at the chest wall, I think shortening it (to ...

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Radiation Oncology · Radiation Oncology Associates
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Strictly speaking, the PTV should represent your margin for uncertainty. There are circumstances where you can reasonably believe you have less setup uncertainty than normal. In addition to the examples listed above, I would add that there are times when the rib cage doesn’t really move with breathi...

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